Falcon and Winter Soldier episode 4!

[chase_acow]

The Whole World is Watching - John Walker loses patience with Sam and Bucky as they learn more about Karli Morgenthau.

Poll #25526 The Whole World is Watching!

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 18

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Immediate post episode reaction?

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shit
2 (11.8%)

holy shit
5 (29.4%)

holy forking shirt balls
10 (58.8%)

favorite moments?

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Flashback Bucky in Wakanda.
17 (94.4%)

Sam using his counseling skills.
14 (77.8%)

Walker pocketing the serum.
0 (0.0%)

Dora Milaje smacking down John Walker.
14 (77.8%)

Bucky's arm falling off.
4 (22.2%)

Karli calling Sarah.
1 (5.6%)

Flag Smasher fight.
1 (5.6%)

Hoskins' death.
1 (5.6%)

Walker murdering that dude.
1 (5.6%)

the bloody shield
8 (44.4%)

is it time to talk about Sam and his wings?

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he's clearly a technopath
3 (18.8%)

he's half bird. on his dad's side.
4 (25.0%)

idk how he does it, I just want more of it
11 (68.8%)

I want some wings!
1 (6.2%)

Current positive feels for the Flag Smashers?

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Mean: 5.35 Median: 5 Std. Dev 2.40

1		1 (5.9%)
2		1 (5.9%)
3		2 (11.8%)
4		2 (11.8%)
5		4 (23.5%)
6		2 (11.8%)
7		1 (5.9%)
8		2 (11.8%)
9		1 (5.9%)
10		1 (5.9%)

How awesome is this next Walker v Sam/Bucky going to be?

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Mean: 8.65 Median: 9 Std. Dev 1.85

1		0 (0.0%)
2		0 (0.0%)
3		1 (5.9%)
4		0 (0.0%)
5		0 (0.0%)
6		1 (5.9%)
7		1 (5.9%)
8		3 (17.6%)
9		3 (17.6%)
10		8 (47.1%)

Would you take the serum?

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yes
3 (16.7%)

no
15 (83.3%)

Who wants some fan-art recs?
Sam and his suit from ep 3!
Sam and Bucky in the flowers again
Sarah Wilson
The difference between a sorcerer and a wizard
Zemo and Bucky

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Comments

[monicawoe]

This was one hell of an ep! The ending was horrifyingly brutal. It was clear Walker was gonna go off the rails, and I was sure he was going to take the serum the moment Karli opened the pack at the start of the episode.

Seb Stan always makes me cry when he does and that Wakanda flashback was no exception.

I was so excited about Ayo already, but then to have even more Dora Milaje and to see them kicking Walker’s ass? What a treat!

Sam talking to Karli was great, and I really think this is all heading towards him picking up the shield on his own terms, which is as it should be.

Zemo with his Turkish delight made me think of Jadis and I half expected a sled pulled by polar bears to be waiting outside lol. I do like that both Sam and Bucky are clearly wary of him.

Am still wondering who the power broker is and have not ruled out Sharon.

Only two eps left?!!

[readera]

I had so many feels this episode. That ending was Brutal.

Also yay for Dora Milaje & thier jurisdiction. 😁😁

I was distracted by the building that lots of the inside filming was in. It had lots of 6 pointed stars including a set of stained glass windows with tree of life patterns with stars. I suspect it was a former synagogue.

[oracne]

AYO AYO AYO!!!!! Did we get a name for the other Dora?

[prism0467]

1. The Wilsons are made of warrior win.

2. I'd like to beat the shit out of fake-ass Captain America.

3. Dora Milaje is all the way live, 24-7-365.

4. Thank you for sharing fan art links. I thoroughly enjoyed them!


That is all.

[lynnenne]

Best episode so far.

[fueschgast]

I like that you post recs and such.


Aw, nice, a flashback to Bucky in Wakanda!

That's a nice place filthy rich Zemo has there!

I can't believe Bucky felt the need to point out "The Avengers, not the Nazis." after Sam's "Hey, those are our friends you're talking about."

I like that they filmed in Prague, it looks so much like home.

Smart of Zemo to talk to the kids and bring candy.

Ah, finally solid information about who exactly the Displaced are. So the Flag Smashers do have a good cause, their problem is just that they don't know how to bring about real change without violence. How frustrating and very RL. I like that Sam empathizes.

I love how intimidated Zemo looks for a moment after Bucky smashed his tea. And after Sam points out the head tilt, Zemo is looking caught and moves his head upright again. *snort*

Aw, that Flag Smasher considers Karli their Captain America. It's kind of cute, even though he agrees with Karli's violent approach.

Sam is reasoning with Karli and I love it sooo much! I love him so much! And then Walker comes in and ruins the potential rapprochement.

While I'm glad that Zemo destroyed the remaining serum (albeit in a not very thorough way), I don't like that he tried to kill Karli. And FUUUUCK, Walker finds an intact vial.

Oh, good, Sam points out Zemo's hypocrisy regarding "Super Soldiers cannot be allowed to exist". And he finally thinks of asking Zemo how he feels about Bucky. Well, yeah, Bucky should probably be protected from Zemo, just in case.

The Dora Milaje beating up Walker: What a sight to behold! And Zemo, Sam & Bucky think so too, heee.
Ooh, Ayo knows how to separate Bucky from his shiny arm.
"They weren't even Super Soldiers." OMFG, get over yourself!

JFC, Karli, threatening Sarah and her kids is so not cool.

I had hoped for a better fate for Lemar, as he has a conscience and therefore deserves better. But he was also Walker's conscience, so it makes sense that Walker would go apeshit without Lemar.

I'm so glad there's lots of video evidence of new Cap losing his shit. Can't wait for him to lose this job!
Oh wow, this was so disturbing that the credits don't play the usual music. Reminds me of 24's silent clock.

[goodbyebird]

Walker can't even form himself into a tiny canonball as he shield-jumps through windows, clearly they completely whiffed his training. Saw it coming that his partner would be sacrificed for his mainpain :/ I don't appreciate the show getting him involved in the "would you take the serum" discussion beforehand, that stunt is 100% on Walker's shoulders, and fuck that guy. He might as well have unzipped his pants and urinated on the shield in that last scene.

The FEELS in Bucky's opening sequence though! Very happy to have gotten a tiny bit of him recovering in Wakanda. Absolutely knew they'd be able to disarm him though lol.

Sam continues to own my heart. What a solid guy, and his fighting is never not gonna be cool to watch. Loving everything they're doing with his wings.

Zemo doesn't make sense to me. After the big showdown in Endgame with aliens, robots, and witches oh my! plus actual alien god-like invaders, being this concerned about super soldiers tipping the scales too much doesn't really hold water any more? Like, what's the plan here, my dude? You can't fix this, the genie is officially out of the bottle. (I did like that he agreed about Steve, I'm so insulted about the new Captain Imposter that I'll take any crumb I can get I guess :p)